An interview with children’s author Julia Donaldson as Zog comes to the stage in Cardiff

Zog theatre show Cardiff

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This interview was provided by St David’s Hall but is an unpaid collaboration.

Like a lot of families, we have a shelf-full of books by Julia Donaldson. We have around 40 – although she’s written around 200 children’s books and won countless awards for her timeless tales. Her collaborations with illustrator Axel Scheffler are perhaps among her most famous stories, from The Gruffalo, Stick Man and Tiddler to Tabby McTat, The Smartest Giant in Town and Room on the Broom. Their much-loved rhyming picture books have been a constant part of my children’s bedtime routines since they were newborns.

And then, of course, there’s Zog, a lovely story about an eager young dragon keen to win a Gold Star at Madame Dragon’s school. However there are a few bumps along the way as he roars and burns his path through years one, two and three. Luckily, the plucky Princess Pearl patches him up ready to face his biggest challenge yet… a duel with Gadabout the Great.

Like many of Donaldson’s books, Zog – which was written in 2010 – has made the transition from page to screen, with a Christmas Day animation shown on BBC at the end of last year, narrated by Lenny Henry and with comic Tracey Ullman as the voice of Madame Dragon.

And now Zog has been adapted for the stage thanks to Freckle Productions – the team behind stage successes Stick Man, Tiddler and Other Terrific Tales, and Tabby McTat.

Zog will be live at Cardiff’s St David’s Hall this Easter holidays as part of a UK tour. The hour-long show is at St David’s Hall for six performances from Friday 26 to Sunday 28 April, with tickets still available if you’re quick.


Zog theatre show Cardiff

Audiences and critics alike have loved it, with Time Out calling it “a delight from start to finish. A room of children laughing hysterically, all totally mesmerised by the action”. The Guardian said “…To call this show lively would be a whopping understatement. Packed with gleeful songs and jolly good fun” and The Independent called it “Zesty and delightful. A clever compelling treat.”

I’m delighted to bring you this interview with Julia Donaldson. Sadly I didn’t get to interview her myself (what a career highlight that would have been!) but St David’s Hall did provide me with this question and answer interview where she talks about her inspiration for Zog, her writing process and how it feels to see her work adapted for the stage. Read on for more…

Zog theatre production Cardiff

Zog is at St David’s Hall, Cardiff. Friday 26 April, 4.30pm; Saturday 27 April 11am, 2pm, 4pm; Sunday 28 April, 11am and 2pm. Tickets cost £15.50 for adults and £13.50 for children. For more information, or to book tickets, visit the website here. or call the box office on 029 2087 8444


Will you be going to see Zog? Are your children fans of Julia Donaldson’s books? Do let me know in the comments below, on the Cardiff Mummy Says Facebook page or you can tweet me on @cardiffmummy


Interview with children’s author Julia Donaldson

Zog theatre show Cardiff

You’ve written almost 200 books. Where do you get your ideas?

It varies, but I always develop the storyline fully in my head before I start writing. I think you read some books and you can tell that people have just made it up as they go along, but I always think you wouldn’t start telling a joke if you didn’t know what the punchline was.


Are you excited to see Zog adapted for the stage?

I’m tremendously excited that Zog will be taking flight around the UK in this first ever stage production. Going to the theatre can be a truly magical experience. I know it will be such a thrill to see the world of Zog being brought to life onstage.”


Where did the idea for Zog the dragon come from?

Well that one was quite unusual in that the initial idea didn’t come from me. My editor said to me, “It would be lovely to have a story about a dragon”, so I started thinking about it and the name ‘Madame Dragon’ came into my head, which I thought had a nice sound.

And then I thought what could Madame Dragon do, who could she be? I came up with various ideas and a school teacher was one of them, so I took it from there. Originally it was going to be about a knight and a dragon, but it ended up being about a princess and a dragon – the story came to me bit by bit.

My husband Malcolm – who is a doctor – also had some input here because when I was planning the story, I knew that Zog would keep meeting the princess, and originally I was going to have them play together and toast marshmallows. And Malcolm said, “That’s a bit soppy, couldn’t it be something with a bit more oomph?” And then I came up with the doctor angle.

The knight, Sir Gadabout is one of my favourite comic characters because he’s such an upper-class twit. I love the line he says, “I’ve come to rescue Princess Pearl, I hope I’m not too late” – when it’s actually been a whole year since she was captured!


Animals feature very strongly in many of your books. Why is that?

It’s often used as a convention – like in Aesop’s Fables where the animals aren’t really animals, they represent a quality or a characteristic.

I also think it would be far more boring for the reader or listener, if Mouse in The Gruffalo was just a small but clever person, or the Gruffalo itself was a big, scary but rather stupid person. Or in The Snail and the Whale, if the Whale was just a big person and the Snail a little person – I think you need animals to represent the qualities.


Your books always have a happy ending, which is very comforting. Do you think it’s important to give that to your readers?

I often think about the role of storytelling for young people. In life, not everything does have a happy ending, but I think storytelling is probably very important because to grow up with stories helps you have aspirations – even if life doesn’t turn out like that.

Even as grown-ups, we know that there is a lot of sadness in life, but I think if we didn’t have those stories, aspirations and a sense of what is ideal, then life would be much harder to live.


A lot of your stories are written in verse. What do you feel that adds?

Well obviously if it’s done well, it makes a story very memorable and people have loved rhyme since time immemorial. I love writing in verse because I wrote songs for so long.


You’ve had a long and very successful working relationship with illustrator Axel Scheffler. How does the partnership work?

It’s always through the editor, I never exchange a word with Axel about the pictures when we’re putting a book together. Axel probably wouldn’t even know that I was writing something until my editor shows it to him, and then I have a nail-biting moment wondering if he likes it and wants to do it.

Then he’ll do some character sketches, which I’ll look at. Sometimes, after he’s created sketches for every picture, I’ll think “Oh hang on, I’m going to change that little bit of text because I like what he’s done with that”. Then Axel will get to work seriously and I’ll see it at a later stage when there will still be a few little tweaks.

Zog theatre production Cardiff


As you’re writing you must visualise characters in your head. What is it like when an illustrator then comes up with something different?

I always say it’s like going on holiday – you’ve got an idea in your head of how it’s going to be, and then it’s always totally different. But once you’re there and enjoying it, you just forget what was in your head before.

Also, I usually know when I’m writing something whether I want Axel to work on it; in which case I’ve got his style in my head as I’m working. It doesn’t influence the storyline, but it will influence how I picture the characters, so I’m usually not surprised when I see Axel’s interpretation.


What is it like for you when people turn your books into stage performances and films?

For me, it’s like an extension of working with an illustrator. Handing it over to a theatre company or film company, you know it’s going to change but you have to let it go.

With things like voices and characters, I can’t actually think of a time where I felt they got it wrong onstage. And with film companies, they usually consult me and tell me what they’ve got in mind.


What do you feel a visit to the theatre gives young children?

Well, I remember going to see The Nutcracker when I was a child and I found the whole thing completely magical. I can still remember how I felt when the curtain went up.

I suppose in a way it’s the same thing that a book gives you, in that while you’re reading or watching, you believe in a different reality. If it’s a good show, parents love to see that their children – even very young ones – can just be transfixed by it.


Your books are read around the world and have been adapted many times. What do you think is the appeal?

I don’t know for sure, but I think there are three main things: the storyline – it’s really important to have a well-crafted story; the language; and the illustration – and I do have to give a lot of credit to the illustrators. I think it’s a combination of those three things done well.


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